russell higgs

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on the Headphones a new video clip over at.... http://www.youtube.com/russellhiggs

"WINDOWS 5" ...... a 39 second micro-concerto for Piano, Strings, Double Bass and a teensy weensy little Fly.

best viewed in Full Screen mode.

it's like Big Brother, but with a Fly.



meanwhile......... Ray prompted a line of thought earlier, that I want to re-articulate here.

in a comment (for yesterday's post) he responded to (a misinterpretation of) some of my words and he jokingly concluded that it showed a "Lapse" in my "self-professed atheism".

Which makes it important for me to UnderLine, that in order for me to "Lapse", it would require there to be some kind of pre-atheist period in my past life, for me to "Lapse" back into.

The word "Lapse", in the context of "religion", tends to reference people who were originally "brought up as" some religion or other, and who don't follow it anymore.

But there simply is no pre-atheist version of me anywhere in the past.

I have never belonged to any religion in my life.

I wasn't even baptised as a baby.

(I thank my Dad primarily for that gift. He too believed that religion was something I have the right to make my own mind up about during my life time.)

(and by the way, I'm not in anyway pissing on Ray here. I'm genuinely glad that he instigated/stimulated my need to articulate this particular detail. It's a perspective from my own narrative that I otherwise can take for granted.)

sunday 05082007



on the Headphones a new video clip over at.... http://www.youtube.com/russellhiggs

"WINDOWS 5" ...... a 39 second micro-concerto for Piano, Strings, Double Bass and a teensy weensy little Fly.

best viewed in Full Screen mode.

it's like Big Brother, but with a Fly.



meanwhile......... Ray prompted a line of thought earlier, that I want to re-articulate here.

in a comment (for yesterday's post) he responded to (a misinterpretation of) some of my words and he jokingly concluded that it showed a "Lapse" in my "self-professed atheism".

Which makes it important for me to UnderLine, that in order for me to "Lapse", it would require there to be some kind of pre-atheist period in my past life, for me to "Lapse" back into.

The word "Lapse", in the context of "religion", tends to reference people who were originally "brought up as" some religion or other, and who don't follow it anymore.

But there simply is no pre-atheist version of me anywhere in the past.

I have never belonged to any religion in my life.

I wasn't even baptised as a baby.

(I thank my Dad primarily for that gift. He too believed that religion was something I have the right to make my own mind up about during my life time.)

(and by the way, I'm not in anyway pissing on Ray here. I'm genuinely glad that he instigated/stimulated my need to articulate this particular detail. It's a perspective from my own narrative that I otherwise can take for granted.)

comments (9)

  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 6 Aug 2007, 00:56
Ha Ha.
Thank you for not pissing on me, Russell.

I fear you misunderstand my misinterpretation of your reality.

In my reality "lapse" is about a dropping of standards, rather than about going some place else. A lapsed atheist, for example, might be one whose words appear to have allowed the possibility of existence of a "grand puppeteer"....not one who has started to see messages of absolute truth streaming from the bible. You don't have to have had a pre-atheist period in order to lapse from your staunchly atheist normal state.

In my reality, "lapse" and "revert" have two different meanings.

Bugger! It appears in this case that our 2 realities don't have any common ground. This makes communication a bit of a challenge, heh! But....not to worry...challenges are there to be overcome.

I love the gorgeous florist shop on your head, Russell.
russell higgs: yeah language sure is tricky.

in my reality "Lapse" almost always tends to refer to someone reverting or falling-back-into a previous habit or state (or the potential for that to happen). Which I guess is what the dictionary refers to when it defines it as.... "a temporary deviation or fall especially from a higher to a lower state ."

the dictionary also says "Lapse..... an abandonment of religious faith"

anyway, the whole point is there was no grand-puppeteer peeping through any linguistic cracks in my account of the chance events on saturday morning. blah blah blah.
  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 6 Aug 2007, 08:39
No Grand Puppeteer....works for me.
russell higgs: all I ask Ray, is that before you Pass Sentence on me in future, (before you have me doing any Listerine Penance etc), please just pause and check if I intended my Written Sentences to mean what you think they mean.

especially because when you then unfairly introduced the word "Lapse" into the game, you created the possibility for other readers to wrongly conclude that I might have had a religious upbringing.
  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 6 Aug 2007, 11:10
Oh, Russell!

Do you have a list of words that are sensitive, or unpermitted, in your reality? If so, could you publish them to assist me in playing the game fairly? Also...could you nominate your reference dictionary for your reality. I have included, below, the Oxford English Dictionary definition for the word "lapse" and am comfortable that their definition works for my reality.

Regarding my attempt at humour [see penance, listerine], I apologise if it offended you...that was not the intended outcome...but I was a little motivated in the direction of humour by your previous posting where I thought you were stating your bounds of respect and tolerance and it seemed to me you were saying your normal rules were suspended for the subject of organised religion.

Please let me know if I am mis-understanding your intent here, but it seems to me in my reality that you are seeking to impose some sort of censorship process to responses to your blog writings.

***
lapse

• noun 1 a brief failure of concentration, memory, or judgement. 2 a decline from previously high standards. 3 an interval of time. 4 Law the termination of a right or privilege through disuse or failure to follow appropriate procedures.

• verb 1 (of a right, privilege, or agreement) become invalid because it is not used, claimed, or renewed. 2 cease to follow the rules and practices of a religion or doctrine. 3 (lapse into) pass gradually into (a different, often worse, state or condition).

— ORIGIN Latin lapsus, from labi ‘to slip or fall’.
***
Source: Oxford English Dictionary
russell higgs: .....

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lapse

1 a : a slight error typically due to forgetfulness or inattention (a lapse in table manners) b : a temporary deviation or fall especially from a higher to a lower state (a lapse from grace)
2 : a becoming less : DECLINE
3 a (1) : the termination of a right or privilege through neglect to exercise it within some limit of time (2) : termination of coverage for nonpayment of premiums b : INTERRUPTION, DISCONTINUANCE (returned to college after a lapse of several years)
4 : an abandonment of religious faith
5 : a passage of time;


Ray, THERE IS NO DESIRE FOR CENSORSHIP ON MY BEHALF,

I am simply asking you to pause and reflect, before you act as my judge and jury, when you have wrongly translated what I am saying.

We've covered this ground before Ray.

FUN-Da-Mentally....
your incorrect translations can sometimes come across as though you were employing a diversionary STRAW MAN TACTIC.

eg there was no justification for you to introduce the word "Lapse" etc
  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 6 Aug 2007, 13:56
Thank you for clarifying the situation Russell, and indicating no desire for censorship.

It seems we still have not cleared up the matter of my use of the word "lapse". I will try to explain:

1. On friday 3August2007 you wrote "... I fully and utterly believe in Respecting other people's Differences, their Skin Colour, their Gender, their varied Able-Bodiedness, their Sexuality etc etc, but I can not and will not ever, EVER, respect their imaginary Lord up in the Heavens Above. Particularly because religion is THE primary excuse for the majority of Wars and Suffering and Death in this world.
It is my belief that ALL of the powerful organised religions around the globe should be vigorously Ridiculed and Undermined at every single available opportunity.

If you are someone who insists on believing in the authority of an invisible (and silent) super-being, then you need to be prepared for intellectual combat in the arena with Lions such as myself..."

I interpreted this as a very powerful and unambiguous statement of contempt by you for "organised religion" and belief in the existence of a higher being. I read you as describing yourself as a "Lion" and one who is putting up a challenge to "intellectual combat".

I interpreted that as you describing yourself as a champion...a zealot perhaps...for atheism.

2. The next day you narrate some excellent and interesting stories of chance. In one of these stories you use the expression "But the amazing thing about this is the micro timing of events."

Timing...
Oxford English Dictionary
" noun 1 the choice, judgement, or control of when something should be done. 2 a particular time when something happens."
Merriam-Webster
"1 a : placement or occurrence in time b : the ability to select the precise moment for doing something for optimum effect
2 : observation and recording (as by a stopwatch) of the elapsed time of an act, action, or process"

Micro timing...
as for "timing" but with greater precision.

So, for me as reader, your expression "micro timing" let in the possibility that someone or something was actually controlling "chance"....."god", "gawd", "grand puppeteer"?

3. Now, if that was what you intended or implied then it certainly seemed at odds with your friday declaration of absolute disbelief in the concept of a higher being.

Thus "lapse", definitions of which already exist in this thread.

I offered my comment in a jocular sense partly because I thought it funny, and partly to draw your attention to possibly incompatibility of the two positions occuring only 1 day apart, and with the second possibly a step back from your vehement denouncement of organised religion in the first.

At no time did I state or suggest you had a different religious status at some time in your past.

Other readers may see it differently, as their realities may well be different again from yours and mine.

That, then, is my justification for introducing the word "lapse".
russell higgs: yeah well my use of "micro-timing" in a piece titled "TWO TALES OF CHANCE" wasn't a reference to anything other than the incredible chance timing of events.

You have to understand Ray that on a number of occasions you have misreprented what I am saying, and that from my perspective that seems like a classic STRAW MAN TACTIC.

Similarly a really long winded reply like this could be construed as a deliberate effort to put people off from bothering to read any of it. (or to bury previous comments out of sight from any casual visitors)

meanwhile..... the title of today's post is also inspired by you Ray. Its to be a train of thought springing from the word "PUPPETEER", which you introduced.
  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 6 Aug 2007, 15:42
Russell.
That's cool!

You have made it very clear in this conversation that you remain a "Lion" for the team against organised religion, and that I misunderstood the "timing" reference. To this I say "all power to Leo Russell".

[you have done it again, but I am trying to ignore it.....eeerrrr.....aaaahhhh..."chance" and "timing" are mutually exclusive concepts in my reality, but in your reality they are complementary...I think we will just have to live with this linguistic schism]

Looks like we are on the same side here, although I don't see myself as a "Lion". I am ok with folks paying homage to a bunch of feathers on the end of a stick or whatever...just so long as they don't expect me to take them too seriously.

Not sure what you mean by "classic STRAW MAN TACTIC"...perhaps you could enlighten me sometime.

I am saddened to hear you have been inspired by me. Please don't make a habit of this, lest I become some kind of "gawd" in your reality...the world doesn't need another one of them. [grin]

But I look forward to seeing what you do with "PUPPETEER".
Cheers.
russell higgs: Ray,

surely "timing" is a Human Perspective of Events.

a procession of random chance events occured, in linear time (from a human perspective). And in a retrospective retelling of the events I refer to all those remarkable and tiny chance happenings as "the micro-timing of events"

your friend

Russell
  • neal
  • Australia
  • 6 Aug 2007, 16:39
Was just passing by to see what was on the headphones and checkout the daily portrait just before bed and dang you guys made me read and now i feel like i have just had coffee. To be diversionary like a bikini clad corner girl at a boxing match (as this is clearly not my debate and basically i am a simple fellow) i have been thinking recently about something i heard on our national broadcaster about social networking and 'thick' and 'thin' ties. It is something that i know i should investigate more.

The commentary was echoing some research about social ties. it was saying with the growth of online forums like myspace, facebook etc that people are abandoning traditional 'thick' ties which are long lasting traditional relationships and opting for more thin ties. Friendships made on social networking websites. Because thin ties are often more superficial we are more prepared to drop thin ties and replace them easily as they are more disposable. This is going to have lasting effects i guess on our society.

I wonder when a thin tie turns into a thick tie, what is the metric. I will just toddle off into the corner now in my 5 inch heels. I think that was the final bell. Will check out the video later.
Nice one, Russell... well, glorious, actually! The pic grabbed me, and the commentary kept me here (willingly) for a while. Maybe I better take Neal's lead and stay out of it... but... well, ok I’m holding myself back since this isn’t a forum.

But Russell... I’m loving how your creativity in the world is activating and connecting and inspiring. I like your Windows videos very much, and it was great to see Making it Up again! So many great images accumulating in this archive, too... I admire your artistic dedication! And I kinda like the outstretched arm thing.
russell higgs: Thanks Shanti, always a pleasure to hear from you

and I kinda like the outstretched arm too.

and thanks for bringing Mary Poppins back into my mind with your puddle picture.
  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 8 Aug 2007, 12:35
Hi Russell
You might be interested in this website [ http://richarddawkins.net/article,1471,The-Out-Campaign,Richard-Dawkins ] where Richard Dawkins is giving his endorsement to an OUT campaign, encouraging all atheists to declare themselves thus.
The campaign seems to have a bit of steam, and even seems to have a logo and a TShirt.
There's an article by Richard Dawkins, and dozens of responses. It is mostly spirited, good fun, and sometimes quite hilarious reading. In it Dawkins does admit there is a danger it will result in an organisation not unlike an organised religion, but with a non-god as its focal point.
russell higgs: Thanks for that Ray,

my favourite recent Dawkins is from The Times may 12 (my birthday) 2007

Richard Dawkins responds to accusations that his criticisms of religion are shrill, strident, intemperate, intolerant, rants.........

"......Objectively judged, the language of The God Delusion is less shrill than we regularly hear from political commentators or from theatre, art, book or restaurant critics. The illusion of intemperance flows from the unspoken convention that faith is uniquely privileged: off limits to attack. In a criticism of religion, even clarity ceases to be a virtue and begins to sound like aggressive hostility."

"A politician may attack an opponent scathingly across the floor of the House and earn plaudits for his robust pugnacity. But let a soberly reasoning critic of religion employ what would, in other contexts, sound merely direct or forthright, and it will be described as a shrill rant. My nearest approach to stridency was my account of God as “the most unpleasant character in all fiction”. I don’t know how well I succeeded, but my intention was closer to humorous broadside than shrill polemic. Restaurant critics are notoriously scathing, but are seldom dismissed as shrill or intolerant. A restaurant might seem a trivial target compared to God. But restaurateurs and chefs have feelings to hurt and livelihoods to lose, whereas Blasphemy is a Victimless crime”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article1779771.ece
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  • United States
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